Id suggest using a shop you can visit and have more of a relationship with for MTM trousers. PS Presents 23: Arterton, LEJ, Marrkt, Fox and Rubato, Click on an image to enlarge. Trousers are made entirely by hand, with hand-sewn curtained waistbands. The shoulder fit looks (to me) the best of your suits on here. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. That means someone has taken measurements of your body and then adjusted the clothes to fit those measurements. If not Grahame Browne has changed his pricing? Although I agree, Simon, about expecting no artists or artisans, tailors or otherwise, to takes bribes that stretch their natural styles beyond zones of comfort/ experience but with W & S I clearly wasnt asking too much. As a more extreme example how does it compare to your C&M and Cifonelli suits: if you say its nearly as good that may change everything!! It sounds like it might also be due to the fact that this was your first experience. And it would look a touch more formal than a Neapolitan, but as long as youre happy with that (and my Gieves is similar in cut) then that would work fine. The suit was very large in the shoulders, it had no shape in the body, but the first fitting is for the tailor, so I left it to her to do her job and I had lost some weight. After realizing what such refined raiment can do for him both physically and psychologically, it is the rare man who does not become a convert for life. Free shipping for many products! I have checked them out however note that: Just been to W&S to collect my suit and have to say Sian has done a wonderful job. Care to share your trick? Coats Read More However I think it worthy to note that UK perfumers are clearly upping the game in involving customers on a fragrance experience. Really great blog. I am considering a suit commission using W&S and I personally like a wider lapel as it looks better for my body type (proportionally larger chest and smaller waist). If you decide to trust one and go for it how far can you impose your ideas of cut and style on them? In terms of an every day style for work, would you so this would be more suitable than Edward Sexton? They are very different prices, qualities and styles. Its unlikely theyll be able to do it in much of a rush though, given it has to go back to Naples each time to be made. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. Not really Im afraid Chris I havent had a chance to try it or look through the process in detail. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Bespoke Navy Wool Savile Row Classic Fishtail Trousers LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke Mid Grey Fresco Hopsack Explorer Pants #1 LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke S110s Italian Wool Draped Gabardine Pants + 69.35 Postage + 2.22 VAT will apply Shop with confidence eBay Premium Service Buttonholes are sewn with silk thread by hand. It does not matter if WS are getting some part of the work done in India, the suit looks fantastic in the photos. Also is it fair to have comparisons with A&S style here? Dear Simon, And no, I dont think its appropriate for business. I would take it back in and talk to the tailor about it. Richard, Hi Simon Now, the brand is returning to America for the first time in over two years, as are many British artisans. Or take in some pictures of styles you like. And often they vary in service depending on who does the outfitting. 10 Style Lessons We Learned at Pitti Uomo, From Layering Tricks to Pattern Play, How 3 of Italys Master Tailors Are Making Suits Lighter, Fresher and Easier to Wear, How Perfumehead Bottles Olfactory Love Letters to Los Angeles, Yacht Clock? I havent tried Edwards MTM so I cant really compare Im afraid. I have large shoulders, am tall and have a relatively slim waist, but dont feel comfortable looking bigger. From what Ive read on your blog and others, I think W&S are the superior tailor and Id rather compromise my style and get a better quality suit. Edge tapes, hems and linings are completely felled by hand. When he died, his son, also named George, inherited the property and began to lease out parcels of land to tailors. One of your best suits in my opinion! Therefore, I will not be going back as I see it as a bit of a risk. Hi Simon. Simon. However, am i expecting too much? Jennie Adamson et al. I wonder if you could tell me, from your experience, about the rough timeframe of this process. Their business moved to Savile Row in 1846, following the death of founder James Poole. Yes, Edward is more dramatic and youll find the drape style more comfortable during the day at work too. A bespoke suit is entirely made from scratch, with the pattern being created based on your unique measurements. They will often try to cater to different styles, but without a lot of experience of doing so. I do think its worth asking, as they are generally quite open to such ideas, but at the same time if they seem hesitant then dont push it. I commissioned a suit from W&S and Siam was the cutter. And if the Italians with their inherent expressiveness dress brightly, boldly Read More, Mens accessories: the image of a man It is undeniable that the image consists of details. This will offer better value than any MTM service, by some margin. Let me know if that doesnt answer your question Let me know what you think of these points, and whether this might be worth a full post at some point too. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, Whitcomb & Shaftesbury is based on George Street in Mayfair, just a few paces from Savile Row, and offers two bespoke services: its Savile Row Bespoke service, which is made in the conventional fashion in on-site workrooms, and Classic Bespoke, which is cut in London and made in the brands workshop in Chennai, India. It's still early days for the two suit, but signs are good that the Indian suit in particular (Whitcomb & Shaftesbury called it Classic Bespoke) will be a great value option for anyone looking to try bespoke for the first time. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. Tim Everest offered a 10/11oz super 120 fabric for 1450+VAT with full canvas and extra trousers done in six weeks at a factory in Czech. The same business model doesnt quite exist, no. Am I safe to give them full and total control and have the suit made in their house style, or will I end up regretting it? When the auto-complete results are available, use the up and down arrows to review and Enter to select. Today. Kind Regards Your comments in the discussion are helpful in triangulating their merits. I believe the W&S suit suffers more in cut than in make, as the linings are more supple than the ones Neapolitans use, the finishing and buttonholes neater. Full disclosure: I did weigh 6kg more when I ordered the suit than I did at the first fitting. Couldnt have been more pleased with it! I am unsatisfied considering GB is 850 but their forte is not in this style of tailoring. Impressive finish, congratulations! At the same time, I wouldnt want to be impolite and ask them to do something entirely different compared to their usual cut. Henry Poole etc.) And no, it wouldnt be vastly different from KH&L, More importantly, for that price range this is certainly the best value suit out there, and it sounds like one that would suit your style as well. Vergallo doesnt get enough attention they remain excellent value. Have a look at my posts in the past on Rubinacci bespoke. how many weeks from measuring to first fitting, from first fitting to second fitting, etc. Location makes no difference to me, but if you want it you can pay 1,700 for the privilege. Get the Robb Report newsletter for similar stories delivered straight to your inbox. The size is down to the tie thicker silk or lining for a bigger knot, a wider tie for a longer knot.. as Ive indicated in my comments on your Vergallo loden coat post, I will also be trying the W&S classic bespoke service for a winter flannel suit. How do you find out whether a certain off row tailor is really good? shoes, shirts, etc.)? By the way, Sian is the other cutter at Whitcomb now, and is very good in my experience. Are there any similar services like the Huntsman 100 from other savile row tailors you would recommend? Another question Simon. Youd wear any existing suits, then gradually swap in the better ones as you buy them. Richard. solito e.2500 for suit, e2100 for jacket. I look forward to reading about your experience in the near future. Have a look at our Suit style series for other advice too, Sorry if im asking something youve already been asked, but are there any other comparable offerings in this price range/overseas production for a first foray in to bespoke, or are W&S out there on their own in this regard. I havent Im afraid apart from Luxire part of the problem is theres a lot of them so its hard to say anything comprehensive. Thanks Simon for this wonderful blog, The biggest danger is when you get to structural things (eg shoulders) or things that arent linear and therefore easy to describe (eg the shape of a lapel). Used to work with John at Kilgour, then at Thom Sweeney and at McQueen for a bit, So I presume you would have no hesitation in using W&S even if you were not working with John McCabe, Would you recommend W&S for a relaxed soft shouldered cashmere jacket to be worn with chinos and jeans? After reading your reviews, I am definitely considering the W&S Classic Bespoke offering. Hey Justin. No worries Ravi. I have got two questions which I think a lot of people toil with. Trousers Read More Heavy brown Brisbane Moss cords Trousers Read More The T-shirt under a shirt (and tailoring) Casual clothing Read More The style of a belted wrap coat - with Whit. Apologies if this is an obvious question. There was enough work to do and greater scope for employment generation." http . My first British bespoke suit was last year, and if I had known about them I might well have talked to W&S. Just 30 Read More, Savile Row Savile Row is a street located in the center of London, United Kingdom. Simon, Since you praise John McCabe for his cutting, I was wondering whether needs to be involved in the measurement process and therefore needs to be present during the first appointment? Plus, get the exclusive Robb Report tote bag FREE. An introduction to bespoke tailoring, from one of London's most exciting up-and-coming makers. Was this cloth amongst their offerings at their base price or was there a cost supplement? Bespoke suits are thus more expensive and take longer to produce, but they will provide you with a better fit than a custom suit ever could. Back in the day, Kilgour French and Stanbury cut with a good bit of drape. No, its a good question. There are also things the Indian workshop can do that you wouldnt give to most Row tailors. Graham Browne is GBP 1050 INCLUDING VAT, ie the difference in price is GBP 500, not 300 as stated in the comments. Also, is their normally a third fitting?. My experience not so good. Or perhaps heard anything about his work? Although given how many issues tailors have had over the past 30 years (particularly changing business models or cutters so youre relationship goes out the window) I think theyve got as much chance of staying around as anyone. 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