Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. And, you know, my view about human nature is that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. No, but there's part of me says, "You know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before." Especially when it came to one particular fact. in the next room just because they're being told to. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. You wouldn't though, would you really? TRANSCRIPTS We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). They start disagreeing with each other. Every time that guy got the word wrong. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. That's what we're heading towards. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Bonobos. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . And to make the problems even more annoying. Walk- walk away. The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. It was developed in his Institute. And he spent five years in a futile effort to distill gold from the ocean's waters. They're trying to be good participants. We're all great apes. Warning. We realize this is hard work, but what you are doing is for the good of Germany. And he is celebrated for it. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other, and pump it with big iron tank. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. Each answer just begs another why. A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. And then, realized that he had to leave the house or he was going to do damage to her. Finally, acknowledging, yeah, that's true. He recruited a bunch of subjects. It was about how far would these people go? And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. I'm Robert Krulwich. That the earth couldn't support this many people. It gets bogged down. Uh, generates electric shocks. Gary is dancing around this topic. Who are you?". And then, he just trails off. This is Radiolab. More energy than seemed, like, possible to make. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. Nice job? He goes straight to the German [inaudible 00:36:56] and- and he pitches this idea. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. I'm not saying a word. I'm good. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. And he believed it. What's the noble cause in this case? Prince-nez? There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think when you're enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, "What is greater, and what is good?". Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. And he did too. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. You're bad. To feed about 30 million people. And once again, another nitrogen compound. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. But what if something's happened to the man. All rights reserved. I killed her. And later that night after the party Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills 'cause he's asleep, um, and she takes his service revolver. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. How many times would they shock that sad-. Because this room's echo-y. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. It is a, the- the critical- the critical force prod. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Then he left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said yes. Big questions are investigated . I just needed to kill because of that. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. And it's moving at about one meter per second. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. Hundreds of them were falling to the ground. Hi, my name's Josh and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. Well what's the noble cause in this case? That's it? So to speak. [2] That one simple, "Why?" Yeah, I agree with that. "Demand me nothing, what you know-, From this time forth, I never will speak word." Year 2003. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". If you think that science is worth pursuing, you say, "Okay. Well, he started- he started fuming that his wife had- had dissed him. I'm not going to give you- I'm- I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good to be honest. ", Um, but Haber just kind of ignored her and-, He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. What you know you know. Despite the chlorine gas, he didn't intend for that to happen. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. And once again, another nitrogen compound. September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . Accuracy and availability may vary. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. Each answer just begs another why. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. Very distinctive looking man. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. And says, "This is intolerable. This is a 20 year old female. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Thank you to James Shapiro whose most recent book is called Contested Will. She says, "What happened today?" I dated her several times a year. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. How many times would they shock that sad-. Walked in and asked his wife where this friend of mine was, and she got a disgusted look on her face, and said that he was up in the bedroom. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. And they're both secularized Jews. A lot of them are like, "This is not how you fight a war.". Um, with a black belt in karate. And you know what? Unusually so in those times. Well, let's talk about Fritz Haber. Okay. All right, just to back up for one second. And what is basically like the Baghdad of his time. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. Because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb? And you know there's nothing a closet full of clothes to help balance that out. Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". Radiolab is supported by Audible. You know, "I- I- I Harley, you know, regret the fact that I killed a young maiden or defamed the king" or whatever it is. He could have never imagined that. Can't keep holding it all in. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. He figured maybe one percent of these men would keep flicking the switches, up to the highest voltage. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. Even when they go along with the experiment-. Nothing to be ashamed of. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. What you know-". It's about how far would these people go. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. And then it was several hours later, in the middle of the night, that I got the call. Direct your voice to the microphone in the room. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. Let's expect more from technology, let's put smart to work, visit ibm.com/smart to learn more. And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. ", Now, Haber was Jewish, but because he'd served in World War I-, But 75 percent of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish-, And says, "This is intolerable. 2012-06-22 . Radiolab. Okay, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder, and badness, and all these things we're thinking about. Is that how you say that? The experiment requires that we continue. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. Why does God allow this to happen? The story of Job is that one day God and Satan were having a conversation. I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed. When did he live, and what did he look and that kind of stuff? Be right back. That's radio producer Ben Walker, he'll be our guide for this segment. And you tell us, "Actually, no. "I need to kill because of that." Do you think that more studies of this sort should be carried out?" And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. He takes command of them partially, he travels to the front. And not just yeses. Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. So in the end, where do you come down? And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? But the generals were not all that convinced. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. This story made us wonder is David's friend, is he unusual? I do have a choice. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? For when the subjects didn't want to continue? He's working with chemicals. They couldn't deploy it. [inaudible 00:59:42] Christensen. Yeah, well. My dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." But he is a, uh, a large, very strong man. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. All right. Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. With a history of industry leading online lending technology developed in the heart of Detroit, Rocket Mortgage is changing the game. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. The participants that are there in this study-. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. Well, all right. That's right. Ear drums, God. And if they didn't go on, if they resisted, the experimenter would break out prod number two. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. He goes straight to the German high command, and he pitches this idea. How could you? Of course normally just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. People go I do n't want to talk about it. and Iago-, 'll. Food is also the thing that you put into the ground to grow more is. Heart of Detroit, Rocket Mortgage is changing the game his wife had- had dissed him, just to up. A portal to another world killer: a true Detective story goes and, you tell,... 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