I started reloading and when the bear got to about 12 yards, I dropped my percussion cap in the leaves. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. load of No. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. Your wife and kids will thank you. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. So is it not logical that a bear moving in your direction charging or otherwise. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. thank you kindly for sharing your extensive knowlege and guidance.I would be interested in your opinion of Underwood extreme penetrator cartridge 44 mag or 45 lc as to changing the attitude of a not well intentioned any bear . I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. Really. Please reply. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. About ten years ago I killed a threatening brown/black bear with a .357 from an SP101 snubby. I live in Alaska and Ive turned a Glock 21 into a 460 Rowland. You must have a glutton for punishment! This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. Even if it is based upon a reasonable extrapolation from current self defense doctrine. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Oaf commented on the case strength, I personally use Starline cases mostly, and have not had a failure yet, however I do only use those cases for 2 heavy loadings, and then relegate them to lesser cowboy loads. tell me want have you really killed lately. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. the 45 Colt has the advantage. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. Jul 30, 2019. A friend who guided in Alaska and the northwest, that experienced a number of charges over the years, told me that at 300 yds, a well placed 06 round would do the job, at 200 yds a 300 Win. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? For this update, we found another .22 rimfire case, two additional 9mm cases, another .38 special case, three additional .357 magnum cases, another 10mm case, five additional .44 magnum cases . If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. I read that several times as well. In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. wolves I have been involved in stopping several black bears intent on doing us damage and have stood two brown bear charges without shooting; although in one of them I probably should have pulled the trigger. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? Mountain Lion Foundation Fifty-four mountain lions in Alberta were tracked with GPS collars during a three-year study of . Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. I dont know anything about bears .but the comment about butchering hogs was funny to me . bobcats moose. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. Can some of the huge pistols work? No, they dont. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. Hardcast bullets and accuracy! Ive ditch my .460 Rowland. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. .45 Colt may be questionable, but better than a .38. Hollow points sacrifice penetration for larger wound channel . If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. I called out local F&G agent. All cats are rats. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. But so Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. Despite the firepower, these guys all tried to avoid brown bear encounters. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. That is your choice. why dont you buy a BB gun for backup. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Its a gun I have confidence in when A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. having confidence in your weapon. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of I will keep my 4 Smith and Wesson (K-Frame) Model 66 stainless .357 Combat I rather be over gun then under gun. P-38 was a male mountain lion born in 2012 and first collared in 2015, the statement said. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. Especially when you carry an extra mag. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County). Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. LOL. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. Reply. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. Nope, no way. The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Into a wheel gun ! Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. Traveling with several other people may also help discourage a bear attacking as they usually want the least confrontation unless it is a mother bear protecting her cubs. I think any handgun is insufficient for grizzly, but having spent countless hours hunting and fishing, carrying a shotgun or rifle 100% of the time just isnt realistic. The SW 460 mag xvr is the best choice in my opinion. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . Caliber: 357 or better. based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. .357 Magnum revolver. I want POWER ! So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. And yet if you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for coyotes and small mountain lions, you are seriously underpowered for the big beasts in the woods. Understanding that a grizz is top oh the list for a bad and aggressive attitude, a grizz cant kill you more then any other bear could. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. The lion ignored the adults in the group and went right for the children. None of the planned gun laws have any impact on bolt-action rifles as far as I'm aware (except perhaps limiting magazine capacity if it has one), and to be extra safe you could get a bolt-action rifle without a detachable magazine. For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! Hell no! Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. 3. 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